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In my blog Are Guns Killing our Freedom instead of Defending It? I pointed out how the love and glamorization of guns in our culture, and particularly the dangerous linking of guns to freedom, contributes significantly to gun violence in the United States. This weekend, after the NYPD announced that all nine of the bystanders injured in the shooting near the Empire State Building were shot by cops responding to the gunman, the predictable response from many readers was that since it was the cops' fault, guns were not the problem.
Aside from the screwy logic in that, the fact is that the NYPD's frank admission makes the case for gun control even stronger. What happened in New York City is an example of the mayhem that ensues when guns are used in any situation.
The police officers who responded to the Empire State Building shooting were trained to aim accurately, yet in the chaos and uncertainty of the precise moment when they confronted the gunman, their training and instincts took a back seat to simple human error. Unlike a shooting range, which is a controlled environment, the real world is literally a flesh-and-blood "moving target" and the likelihood of the wrong people being hit is much higher.
Now consider what would have happened in that situation if all New Yorkers were armed. With more guns in the mix and more citizens deciding to take matters into their own hands, many more shots would have been fired, and if the professionals themselves could miss their target and shoot innocent bystanders instead, you can imagine how ordinary citizens, most of them with only amateur shooting experience, would have done a hell of a lot more damage. In the madness that would have erupted, a simple take-down of a suspect by police would have turned into a modern day shootout at the OK Corral. Anyone who believes that a scenario like that would have resulted in fewer casualties is patently insane.
The other important thing to recognize is why our police need to carry guns in the first place. It is because we have a proliferation of guns in America in private hands. As I have said earlier, the cowboy culture and the spread of heavy duty weapons like the AR-15 semi-automatic rifles make our society a dangerous place, which then necessitates a strong armed response by law enforcement.
Compare this to the United Kingdom, where guns are strictly controlled, where most cops do not carry firearms, where incidences of gun violence are rare, and rampage killings like the insanity in Colorado even rarer. While it is difficult to prove whether gun crime across the pond is lower because of gun control or other factors, one thing is for sure - there are fewer guns in circulation in English society and that reduces the need for the police to be perpetually armed. My point is that the only surefire way to avoid "friendly fire" is to obviate the need for guns all around - something that cannot happen as long as civilians want to be armed. Contrary to popular Constitutional lore and manipulative NRA rhetoric, an armed citizenry does not make us safer but destroys our safety completely.
The Empire State Building incident may have had a lower body-count than the shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin, but given how it played out, it should be a cautionary tale of what can happen when guns are used at all, and should be utilized to ramp up the pressure against gun violence, the gun culture, and the twisted arguments of the gun lobby.
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View AllFavorites Recency | Popularity cspz40 Fans 40 minutes ago (10:55 AM)Thank you for your brave article. This has always been my stance. Gun violence is alive and well in our country much to the detriment of thousands of innocent victims and their families. I would gladly lay down my weapon for a life. I have yet to hear ONE good argument that would neutralize the death of a child, a husband, a wife, a mother, a father, a brother, or a sister. How does a country move forward with the archaic assumption that this is an undeniable right? There have been far too many wasted lives to substantiate any legality for gun ownership. I hear you Mr. Sanghoee.....loud and clear.cspz: Thank you for your brave article. This has always beenhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/cspz/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180734123.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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alan mcclintock0 Fans 2 hours ago ( 9:49 AM)The inconvenient truth is police officers carry guns in order of use;
1. Self-defense
2. Defense of the public.
Also, police officers are not held personally liable for injury to the public in performance of their duties. If the two police officers are found not to have violated any laws, NYPD SOP's, or regulations. They can not be held liable. This is how it should be. We need our police to perform their legal duties without fear of legal reprisals.
Contrast this to the fact that legal concealed handgun carriers are responsible for each and every bullet discharged from our firearm. We are held to a higher standard than our public servants. We can be held criminally & civilly liable for injuries to bystanders if it is proven that our actions were in the least bit negligent or excessive. Any responsible person arming themselves for legal self-defense purposes needs to have considered this. This is why the “cowboy”, “shoot-outs”, and “blood in the streets” arguments of firearms opponents fails.alan_mcclintock: The inconvenient truth is police officers carry guns in orderhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/alan_mcclintock/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180720698.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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Varmithunter49 Fans 3 hours ago ( 8:57 AM)"Anyone who believes that a scenario like that would have resulted in fewer casualties is patently insane."
Ask any of Mr. Breviks victims if they feel that way.Varmithunter: "Anyone who believes that a scenario like that would havehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Varmithunter/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180712397.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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Gregory Alan Fogerson2 Fans 3 hours ago ( 8:47 AM)I do not want to give up freedom for security, for then I have neither. I would like to defend myself from a tryanical government if need be. Think I am crazy? It happens all around the world and started this country that allows free press. Without freedom you couldn't reply negatively to this comment.Gregory_Alan_Fogerson: I do not want to give up freedom for security,http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Gregory_Alan_Fogerson/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180710867.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it cspz40 Fans 18 minutes ago (11:17 AM)And those whose lives have been taken by gun violence can't reply either.cspz: And those whose lives have been taken by gun violencehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/cspz/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180739261.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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uaktags0 Fans 3 hours ago ( 8:06 AM)Did you just justify Cops, whom you called professionals, shooting innocent bystanders. And by ibnocebt bystanders you don't mean one or two stray shots, but an abundance. Then you linked these unarmed targets to saying that if they were innocent ARMED citizens that they'd be shot even more frequently? Then you moved on to say that the real issue is gun control of legalized Americans? What the hell kind of logic is that? If cops are going to just shoot civilians and its "okay" because they're "professionals" than maybe i should just hold on to my guns and have the chance to shoot back because at the end of the day, a bullet from the "bad guy" and a bullet from the "good guy" is still lethal and still not "okay".uaktags: Did you just justify Cops, whom you called professionals, shootinghttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/uaktags/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180705725.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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OC SurferTheistic scientific libertarian mensan114 Fans 4 hours ago ( 7:34 AM)Your logic is as screwy as fried fusilli. IF a bunch of New Yorkers were armed they wouldn't be approaching this guy the way these cops did. They'd stand back. They wouldn't start spraying bullets as you're implying. They wouldn't turn into some kind of instant posse. That's absurd.OC_Surfer: Your logic is as screwy as fried fusilli. IF ahttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/OC_Surfer/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180702628.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it barngut0 Fans 4 hours ago ( 7:56 AM)And you believe this because??? Wake up and think!!!barngut: And you believe this because??? Wake up and think!!!http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/barngut/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180704630.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it

JasonRy0 Fans 3 hours ago ( 8:26 AM)He believes this because is has been proven, repeatedly. Armed citizens are all over the U.S. The majority of the 50 states have had concealed carry for a long time now. If this 'posse' situation was something that actually happened it would be all over the news. But it HAS NEVER happened. Sanjay's thoughts are pure conjecture based on nothing but his own bias against guns. The reality, based on facts, is that shootouts from armed citizens simply do not occur.JasonRy: He believes this because is has been proven, repeatedly. Armedhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/JasonRy/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180708021.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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Loading comments… HUFFPOST SUPER USERquindyIf repubs don't drive you crazy you are not normal2559 Fans 7 minutes ago (11:27 AM)How do you know that?quindy: How do you know that?http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/quindy/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180741913.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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Loading comments… KylePhoenix0 Fans 5 hours ago ( 6:30 AM)How many guns are in The Expendables or The Dark Knight? We think that people go into a dark room and have multiple hours of violence, fear, mayhem and carnage focused at them and come out balanced and we're shocked that people see only solutions at the ownership and use of guns? How many action movies don't have guns? A ludicrous question, you might say but really THINK about how we've married excitement and zeal and power and might makes right to guns. Look around you in the USA and see how much of our culture screams violence, do harm, antagonism, fight, terror, fear. The real shock is the fact that we don't have more extreme violence rather than the 1 per 100,000 people we do now.KylePhoenix: How many guns are in The Expendables or The Darkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/KylePhoenix/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180697542.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it barngut0 Fans 4 hours ago ( 7:58 AM)No gun violence, no sex, no sell. How sad.barngut: No gun violence, no sex, no sell. How sad.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/barngut/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180704822.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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Loading comments… HUFFPOST SUPER USERedejan1727 Fans 8 hours ago ( 3:06 AM)Please, although I agree with you completely, do you think rational arguments will make a dent on these rabid gun-toters? Their position makes no rational sense, so no rational argument can get through to them. We need strict laws...but that won't happen any time soon.edejan: Please, although I agree with you completely, do you thinkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/edejan/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180685281.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it

JasonRy0 Fans 3 hours ago ( 8:29 AM)What about this argument is rational? It is 100% supposition. There are no facts to back up his hypothesis.
Here is a fact - concealed carry has NEVER caused a shootout in the streets if the United States.JasonRy: What about this argument is rational? It is 100% supposition.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/JasonRy/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180708452.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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Loading comments… king cuda0 Fans 10 hours ago ( 1:54 AM)I was in london in 1984 and the cops were carrying MP5 submachine guns in public in the day time! Don't lie to your readers! If you're so afraid of guns in america please move to another first world country that has stricter gun control laws.king_cuda: I was in london in 1984 and the cops werehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/king_cuda/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180678214.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

Loading comments… hagenjrShovel ready freeborn son of the Republic456 Fans 10 hours ago ( 1:26 AM)False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing.
Joseph De Maistrehagenjr: False opinions are like false money, struck first of allhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/hagenjr/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180674657.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

Loading comments… HUFFPOST SUPER USERWilliam50268 Fans 13 hours ago (11:03 PM)When the world does not have the savages who attack and steal then Americans will give up guns.
Be very happy we in America use guns. If this had been in most countries thirty pounds of explosive may have been used, then the head lines would be two hundred death, seventy outside also killed.William50: When the world does not have the savages who attackhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/William50/friendly-fire-why-nyc-sho_b_1830421_180651644.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.

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